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Outfitter Review - Bar 3S Ranch

Submit Date: Aug 31, 2009

Outfitter Information

Outfitter Name: Bar 3S Ranch

Outfitter / Contact: David Stanley

Location: New Mexico, USA

Hunt Information

Animals Hunted: Elk

Game Quality: poor

Game Quantity: poor

Accomodations: good

Camp Condition: good

Food Quality: fair to poor

Guide Experience: fair

Other Personal Experience: fair

Review Information

Hunter: Timothy Hogan

Phone: 212-967-1029

Email:

Would Recommend: no

Overall Impression: very poor

This is a poorly run operation mostly due to the rancher. I came to the conclusion he has little to no experience in the outdoor industry nor does he have any ranching know-how. He's simply after the ole green-back. The ranch is neither highly managed for quality game or cattle operation. The ranch is overgrazed with cattle and little attention is placed on hunting arrangements. The fact that it borders a large highly managed big game ranch (UU BAR EXPRESS) is not enough for the rancher to advertise his property as a big game paradise. Nothing is further from the truth. In summary, this is a highly false advertisement. The hunt was a mere 5-days lodging and meals with little to hunt.

Outfitter Response: We have just recently read all of Tim and his father's 4 reviews from the same hunt in 2008. The Hogans experience was obviously horrible. We believe our staff failed to provide them with the appropriate services including making sure they hired an experienced guide. However, we also believe their comments and experience have more to do with the fact that they found themselves in the middle of the worst drought in 150 years, then because of our ranching and managing practices. We have no doubt that due to no fault of the Hogan's, they had an unsatisfactory hunt. We also have no doubt their guide had no idea what he was doing on our ranch. Our ranch has been offering hunts for over 30 years with many of our return hunters experiencing over 75% success rate year after year. To do this, they understand the ranch and how to hunt it, even in tough times. In 2008 the price was $2,750 plus food and lodging. We weren't outfitters or guides and didn't provide management. For well over 25 years, the elk were plentiful and our hunters enjoyed the freedoms and low costs of this way of doing things. But due to the extended drought conditions and experiences like the Hogans we had to make some changes. We no longer allow unexperienced self guided hunts or guides other than those approved of by us. Because of the growing cooperation from the New Mexico Game and Fish we have now adopted and implemented similar program management objectives as our neighbors, the UU Bar and CS ranches, who also have to deal with state land trespass issues. In 2011, we reduced our bull hunts over %25 and began an intensive effort to control trespass and manage of our wildlife populations. This has improved all guest services; hunting, fishing and other year round recreational use. This said, if your only interest is in killing a 350+ Trophy bull, it will be a number of years before this is the ranch for you.

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